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CLINTON Campaign Told Canada "NAFTA Comments Just Posturing" - NOT Obama

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

OTTAWA — The leak of a confidential diplomatic discussion that rocked the U.S. presidential campaign began with an offhand remark to journalists from the Prime Minister's chief of staff, Ian Brodie.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper vowed yesterday to use whatever investigative means necessary to find the source of leaks that, he said, were "unfair" to U.S. Democratic candidate Barack Obama and may have been illegal — although opposition leaders insisted the Conservatives cannot be trusted to investigate political players on their own team.

But the story that reverberated through the U.S. presidential campaign began as a terse, almost throwaway remark that Mr. Brodie made to journalists from CTV, according to people familiar with the events.

Mr. Brodie, during the media lockup for the Feb. 26 budget, stopped to chat with several journalists, and was surrounded by a group from CTV.

The conversation turned to the pledges to renegotiate the North American free-trade agreement made by the two Democratic contenders, Mr. Obama and New York Senator Hillary Clinton.

Mr. Brodie, apparently seeking to play down the potential impact on Canada, told the reporters the threat was not serious, and that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign had even contacted Canadian diplomats to tell them not to worry because the NAFTA threats were mostly political posturing.

The Canadian Press cited an unnamed source last night as saying that several people overheard the remark.

The news agency quoted that source as saying that Mr. Brodie said that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign called and was "telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt."

The story was followed by CTV's Washington bureau chief, Tom Clark, who reported that the Obama campaign, not the Clinton's, had reassured Canadian diplomats.

Mr. Clark cited unnamed Canadian sources in his initial report.

There was no explanation last night for why Mr. Brodie was said to have referred to the Clinton campaign but the news report was about the Obama campaign. Robert Hurst, president of CTV News, declined to comment.

The Prime Minister's communications director, Sandra Buckler, has said that Mr. Brodie "does not recall" discussing the issue.

On Tuesday, Mr. Harper denied that Mr. Brodie was a source of the leak — but he appeared to be referring to a diplomatic memo that described the key conversation between an adviser to Mr. Obama and Canada's consul-general in Chicago, Georges Rioux.

Although Mr. Harper has for days brushed aside allegations that his government interfered in the U.S. presidential campaign, yesterday he promised to "get to the bottom" of the matter and said laws may have been broken.

"It is not in the interest of the Government of Canada, and the way the leak was executed, Mr. Speaker, was blatantly unfair to Senator Obama and his campaign," the Prime Minister said in the Commons.

"We will make sure that every legal and every investigative technique necessary is undertaken to find out who exactly is behind this."

But opposition politicians accused Mr. Harper of hiding behind artful denials — ignoring the verbal leak, while denying that the diplomatic memo came from his top aide.

However, Mr. Harper did not appear to be distinguishing between the two leaks yesterday.

Yesterday, he said he had asked the top civil servant, Clerk of the Privy Council Kevin Lynch, to call in an internal security team, with the help of Foreign Affairs.

Members of the opposition asserted that an internal inquiry is unlikely to look seriously at Mr. Harper's own high-level political aides and appointees, such as Mr. Brodie, or Michael Wilson, Canada's ambassador to Washington.

NDP Leader Jack Layton said it is time to call in the RCMP.

The first leak sparked stories that Mr. Obama had privately delivered a message through an aide to Canadian diplomats that the stand against NAFTA was more political posturing than a real policy plan.

The Clinton campaign seized on the stories to argue that Mr. Obama was making promises that he did not mean. The Obama campaign sputtered after this and other attacks on his experience and integrity.

Days later, the leak of the internal Canadian diplomatic note revealed that Mr. Obama's adviser, Austan Goolsbee, spoke to Mr. Rioux on Feb. 8.

In a summary of the meeting written by Canadian diplomat Joseph de Mora, Mr. Goolsbee was described as indicating that Mr. Obama's NAFTA stand "should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans." Mr. Goolsbee denied using those terms.

Mr. Clark of CTV says he called Mr. Wilson for reaction.

The next day, the embassy and Mr. Obama's campaign denied the story. Since Mr. de Mora's memo was leaked to The Associated Press, the Canadian embassy in Washington won't respond to questions about "NAFTA-gate," as the issue has been dubbed.
 
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A Betrayal of Conservative Fundamentals - Republicans Voting for Clinton to Beat Obama

Hi folks,

Sen. Clinton won last night, in large part, due to Republicans following Rush's advice to insincerely vote for Sen. Clinton "because she will be easier to beat in November."  Sen. Clinton got 10% of her vote Tuesday from Republicans, and while many of us right-wingers are supporting Obama based on actual support for him, I dare say there are few (if any) to right of center who are supporting Clinton.

Within a ten-minute period on the Sean Hannity show last night (around 7:10pm ET), two out of three callers bragged about switching and voting for Clinton to help bring Obama down and thereby win the general election for Sen. McCain (one in Ohio, one in Texas).  The third caller was debating it.

Tiffany in Austin, after laughing at Democrats about it, went on to say that she was going to go out and caucus as well.  She noted that her firefighter husband said he "couldn't bring himself to do it", for which I give him points for moral character.

Even Sean Hannity spent a good bit of time voicing his discomfort with the idea.  "Ask yourself how you would feel if the Democrats were doing that to our primary," he asked the undecided election subverter in Ohio.

I think the entire episode is sordid.  On the part of democracy-subverting Republicans - I'm ashamed of you.  This is the antithesis of what core conservative political values are about.  On the part of Sen. Clinton in supporting the action (and recommending McCain over Obama), the whole implication of turning on your party to serve your own ends is perhaps the lowest form of betrayal of trust.

I don't mind losing a fair fight, but this aspect of the contest makes me feel soiled and disappointed.

 -chris

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Sen. Clinton on 60 Minutes - a New Low in American Politics

Hi folks,

As many of you may have seen, Sen. Clinton on 60 Minutes tonight said that Sen. Obama is not a Muslim, and I quote: "As far as I know."

Were this someone else - someone not a politician, not Sen. Obama's chief opponent, not comprehensibly aware to the finest detail the status of Sen. Obama's faith - I could believe that it was an uninformed statement.

I believe it was entirely intentional for the purpose of fostering the fears of the uninformed, and the bigotted, solely for the electoral benefit of Sen. Clinton. 

Sen. Clinton is definitively and without doubt fully aware that Sen. Obama is specifically of the Christian faith and has never subscribed to Islamic faith.  She could have said so forthrightly and done a good deal to eradicate the ongoing fear campaign of Sen. Obama's detractors, benefitted both the Muslim and non-Muslim American population, and advanced the cause of the United States in international affairs.

She did not.

Instead, she chose to use words that encourage both the fear of Muslim Americans as a group and the lingering "accusation" by extremist factions that Sen. Obama subscribes to Islamic faith.

I suggest that every Democrat, every Republican, every Independent and every American of every stripe bring this final step over the bounds of decency to the attention of their elected officials.  There are prices not worth paying to get oneself elected to political office.  The price we all just paid in the peace of this country and the dignity of the office of President is too high for anyone to lay at our feet.

I have sent the following letter to the Democratic National Convention, Senator Edwards,  Senator Dodd, Senator Kennedy, Senator Alexander, Governor Richardson, Speaker Pelosi and others.  I will continue to do so to more political, media and other public sources.

-regards

-chris

Dear DNC representatitves,

I would like to comment to you on Sen. Clinton's "60 Minutes" interview today. As you likely know, when asked whether Barack Obama was a Muslim she replied:

"No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know."

I have included the transcript of that exchange at the end of this message, as well as the link to the entire transcript on the show's website.

As a veteran politician, I find it *extremely* hard to believe that Sen. Clinton said these words without forethought. "As far as I know." That leaves a great deal of interpretation for the viewer.

This from the person most likely to know every detail of Sen. Obama's current and past faith, including the fact that he has never been a Muslim and has in fact attended the same Christian church for twenty years. Senator Clinton knows *definitively* that Senator Obama is a Christian and has never been a Muslim and was more than capable of saying so.

The implication that there is any lingering doubt in Sen. Clinton's mind in regards to Sen. Obama's religious inclination can only be read as a specific and intentional political tactic to play to the fears of uninformed and regrettably anti-Muslim voters.

As a respected voice in American politics I turn to you to use your position to put a stop to this inconceivable use of fear and bigotry by a leading candidate for the highest office in the nation, and indeed the world. I fail to find words to describe my reaction when I watched a potential US Presidential candidate, instantly perceiving both the impression this statement immediately had on American Muslims, and the use that it will be put to by those who lack tolerance.

I beg you. Please, in the name of all you stand for, in the interest of your party and for the love of this country: speak out before it is too late.

With deepest respect,

Chris Blask

Transcript:

""You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?" Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.

"Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that," she replied.

"You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not…a Muslim. You don't believe that he's…," Kroft said.

"No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know," she said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/29/60minutes/main3894659_page4.shtml

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Houston Chronicle Readers' Q&A - Supporters' Difference in Tone and Respect

Hi folks!

For those other Independents out there, here is a Q&A of Houston Chronicle reader's questions and Sen.s Clinton and Obama's responses.
My comment and a (since deleted) Clinton supporter's comments below.

-cheers!

-chris

chrisblask wrote:

Well, Jack Smith, that is certainly an enlightening comment.

Thank you for condescending and belittling millions of people at a swipe. I am certain we all now recognize the foolishness of our thoughts and decisions and appreciate the view you provide into the basis of support for your candidate.

To the point of the article above describing the Candidate's answers to readers' comments:

o I have, for an Idiot, done my best to compare the policy stances of the Democratic candidates. In general they are very similar, with the noted difference that Sen. Obama's positions contain a more pragmatic and less confrontational approach. It appears to be less likely that Sen. Clinton will be capable of forming the concensus necessary to achieve the ends she intends to pursue.

o From an executive perspective, it appears to me based on statements of Sen. Clinton and many of her supporters (present company included) that the tone of a Clinton presidency will not serve well in forming the required coalitions to execute the specific and general goals of the nation.

o It seems quite clear based on the past and current performance of the remaining Democratic contenders that Sen. Obama has both the organizational and technical skills as well as the experience to provide a uniquely positive leadership in modern American politics.

Hopefully the end result of this entire presidential campaign will lead us to a state wherein we can work together to achieve actual accomplishments and unite this long-divided country.

-regards

-chris blask

3/2/2008 8:41 AM CST

  jacksmith001 wrote:
YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT:-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith...
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Sen. Obama is *not* "More Liberal" in the Context That Enrages Conservatives!

Hi folks!
 
You may find it even more interesting (or abominable ;) that an espoused Libertarian/Independent would find words of wisdom that the audience of this site would appreciate on a blog called "Liberal Values", but ain't that just the nature of Freedom of Thought!
 
I recommend you checkout the article at the link below, consider my response, and then honestly contemplate whether Sen. Obama does or does not hold positions that are not dissimilar to your own.
 
I leave you, as always, to form your own conclusions.
 
-cheers!
 

Hello Ron,

Very well put. 

I am an Independent who has migrated to the right of the center line (after a fairly far-left past) precisely for the reasons you have enunciated so well here.  Given the usual limit of four or five ideological labels I will select "libertarian" inasmuch as it embodies the belief that every individual is capable of owning personal responsibility and capability.

A life half-lived in Canada (in separated chunks) and evolving interactions with supporters and politicians on both sides of the ideological divide has created in me a specific distaste for what I have - for lack of a better term - often referred to as "modern liberalism".

After a frustrating call to a Canadian radio show the word I have been seeking to sum up my dissatisfaction with what I have come to see as the wholesale abduction of the beliefs that I have held all my life (namely that mankind is a wonderful species, the world a wonderful place and Americans a wonderful people) flashed in my mind.

Condescension.

It is the condescension of those who believe they hold the simple answers to complex issues that I myself - no complete intellectual slouch, at least by some measure - have wrestled with for thousands of hours.

It is the condescension of those who attempt to reach down from the lofty heights they inhabit to offer inclusion and protection to those who neither ask for nor appreciate nor require their intervention.

It is the condescension of a twenty-year-old Kerry volunteer honestly stating to a camera that she "got better SAT scores than George Bush" as a means to convey her belief that this somehow makes her vastly superior to a person who despite failings has more pragmatic experience in life than she - or most of us - is ever likely to approach.

The same condescension I, regrettably, see in the eyes of Sen. Clinton as she impatiently tolerates the words of other speakers while waiting to interject the statements of wisdom she seems so aware they are not competent to grasp.  The same condescension that I read in the downward hand-gestures she uses to shush her own followers as she stands at a podium ready to grace them with her words.

This condescending attitude leads to the "Nanny state" approach that I find stifling in Canada, Singapore and much of Europe, as examples.  It leads to the aspects of modern American liberalism that divide both the population of this country and indeed the membership in the Democratic party. 

And it is the condescension that will lead myself and millions of others to switch our current support from the Democratic party and elect John McCain president of the United States, if it is presented as the only alternative.

I have watched with growing interest now-Senator-Obama for quite a few years.  It has been increasingly plain to me that this is a person who shares my own long-unpopular goal of advancing the social welfare of the national and global population while - and *by* - emancipating those same individuals, not by dictating to them.  That I am not alone in the belief that the principles that evolved to create the conditions and constitution of the country are *intrisically* *correct* - that "All Men are Created Equal", that Freedom of Thought and Freedom of Speech are not just ideals to be pursued but actionable *absolutes* that enable the achievement of the goal of advancing human achievement.  That the answers to solving the challenges of the world and of the individuals who inhabit it do not lie in *imposing* solutions crafted on some rarified intellectual high ground but rather in engaging each one of us in using the incredibly talents inherent in us all.

Until reading your thesis the exact words to describe my support for Sen. Obama have been elusive.  You have provided a very useful set of memes for me to digest and integrate towards that end, and for this I am grateful.

-cheers!

-chris

 
 
 
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A Great Comment on Leadership and Experience

Hi folks!
 
Senator Clair McCaskill (D- Missouri) points to the clearest evidence of why Barack Obama is the strongest candidate.

Starting @ 2:45 into the clip:

McCaskill: I think everyone knows that Barack Obama hasn't had as much experience in Washington.

Mika Brzezinski: But Senator, shouldn't that matter? I mean, shouldn't that matter to voters - whether or not he is experienced enough to hold the job?

McCaskill: I think what should matter is: Can he lead? Is he a competent and strong executive? And look at these campaigns: Whose is the only campaign that hasn't run out of money; that hasn't had to fire people; that hasn't ha d public backbiting? I mean, who is the person who has run a chaotic and difficult organization seamlessly? I think that's a pretty good indication to the American people that he's ready.

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New York Times Nails it, Clinton Campaign Herald's: "The Audacity of Hopelessness "

Hi folks!
 
Op-Ed Columnist Frank Rich nails it with this piece of insight on the Clinton and Obama campaigns.
 
 
Excerpts below:
 
"But it’s the Clinton strategists, not the Obama voters, who drank the Kool-Aid. The Obama campaign is not a vaporous cult; it’s a lean and mean political machine that gets the job done. The Clinton camp has been the slacker in this race, more words than action, and its candidate’s message, for all its purported high-mindedness, was and is self-immolating."
 
"This is the candidate who keeps telling us she’s so competent that she’ll be ready to govern from Day 1. Mrs. Clinton may be right that Mr. Obama has a thin résumé, but her disheveled campaign keeps reminding us that the biggest item on her thicker résumé is the health care task force that was as botched as her presidential bid."
 
"As for countering what she sees as the empty Obama brand of hope, she offers only a chilly void: Abandon hope all ye who enter here. This must be the first presidential candidate in history to devote so much energy to preaching against optimism, against inspiring language and — talk about bizarre — against democracy itself. No sooner does Mrs. Clinton lose a state than her campaign belittles its voters as unrepresentative of the country. "
 
I could not have said it better.
 
-cheers!
 
-chris
 
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A Good Example of Why This is Worthwhile - Involvement Achieves Ends

 
Hi folks!
 
I like this letter from a fellow supporter of Obama.  I think it is a good explanation of the motive power at work in the population in response to Senator Obama's presence on the public stage.
 
It is this aspect of his candidacy that inclines me to support him.  As an individualist Independent, removing the restraints of cycnicsm and releasing the power of individuals like both the author below and the subject in the video is both my answer itself to all obstacles and, indeed, the end-goal of my efforts.
 
I would take a bullet (OK, serious flesh-wound at least) to defend and enable your capacity to disagree with me, so long as you do it out loud.
 
-cheers!
 
-chris
 
Words below credited to Adoyo Owuor:
 
 
DEFINING HOPE. ACTION. CHANGE.

Incredibly, pundits in all their reductive glory (Tucker Carlson comes to mind) are still scratching their heads asking, "How come Obama continues to attract so much support across the board?"

Could it be because Americans truly want to be instrumental in reclaiming the greatness of their nation? Could it be that they don't just want to sit on their hands waiting for someone else to tackle the challenges facing the nation? Could this be the reason Barack Obama appeals to so many Americans?

Russ Camine, a Home Health Care Worker and SEIU Union Member responds simply and directly:

"He does have good ideals and good ideas. But it is that talk, that hope, that belief, that fire in the belly that America CAN be gr eat again" that sealed the deal for him.

Camine's choice is sincere and pragmatic. His pithy statement basically tells us that people are not interested in sitting back and letting someone else do the work. They want a seat at the table and they want to pull their own weight.

 
Camine speaks at about 1 min 50 sec into the clip.

Adoyo
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I Like the Cream in My Ice-Cream

Hi folks!

Senator Clinton's campaign - and with her descendency, now Senator McCain's - is using Obama's asset (exceptional ability to galvanize Americans through his moving speeches) and trying to turn that into a liability.

As a serial successful entrepreneur and having led a dispirited product team (Cisco PIX Firewall) from a planned end-of-life to what continues to this day to be a world-leading multi-billion dollar success, I question that line of reasoning.

Yes he is passionate, and he is articulate, and he has plans for saving our country.  Trying to separate the three is like trying to take the cream out of Ice-cream. In fact it is Senator Clinton's - and to a lesser, but still marked extent, Senator McCains's - inability in motivating the youth and overcoming voter apathy in their long careers that we should be afraid of, and point to as a sign of their lack of qualifications to be the optimal commander in chief.

The best CEOs are the best salespeople for their company. They sell the vision and the message of the company most effectively using the power of words. If you cannot do that, why should you run for the job?

Senator Obama's power to motivate the youth and quash voter apathy is what can help us turn policy papers into reality.

I like the cream in my ice-cream.

-cheers!

-chris

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For Openers...

Hi folks!

It is interesting that I am here at all. 

I was born in California in 1965 and grew up in Colorado, the youngest of that period's anti-war protester generation.  My family moved to Canada in 1978 and I wrapped myself in the far-left flag for years.  However, for more than ten years I have publicly argued against the Liberal movement and voted a fairly consistent right-of-center ticket.

In the early 1990s I spent a great deal of time arguing politics on Usenet and began a transition away from my peer group into a middle-land I have occupied since.  Debating against holocaust deniers and white supremacists, I found myself being attacked as well by self-identified minority leaders, feminists and others of similar stripe - because I would not agree that "only white men can be racists and sexists", nor that we should work to silence those we disagree with (however heinous their words), nor that reversing roles in inequality equations was desirable.  White supremacist groups tracked down my work address and sent me physical hate mail, while simultaneously I was publicly ridiculed by those claiming to support justice and equality under the banner of liberalism.

At the same time, I decided to volunteer at the local cable TV station in Toronto.  For five years I worked on the provincial opposition leaders' monthly shows: the Conservative leader (Mike Harris, later Premier of Ontario) and Liberal leader Lynn McLeod.   We had the same crew on Mike's show for 60 consecutive shows (Torontonian cable TV volunteers not at all being a conservative bunch) - yet I was the only volunteer to do more than 3 shows with Lynn (I did 60, also).  Mike showed up every month with one assistant and I saw him have actual conversations with guests with opposing views.  Lynn showed up with twelve self-important followers who so insulted the volunteers that they almost all never returned.  During this time I invented one of the first Internet firewalls and spent a great deal of time speaking to groups, businesses and governments, and in my spare time crewed TV shows for fun. With my long hair and volunteer position I seemed to fade into the background on the Lynn McLeod set - none of the followers ever learned my name, and Lynn's primary assistant Dave so disdained my existence that he uttered these words as he led a guest onto the set, within five feet of me: "We do most of this work ourselves, the rest of these people are volunteers and flubs" (Michael White, accomplished technical producer, quit due to that). In 1995 as I flew back from Ottawa after an energizing meeting with the Ministry of Defense I related this entire story in great detail to my seat-mate and, when finished, asked which party he was with. He was the federal Liberal Justice Minister.

My point is that my support for Barack Obama is not an endorsement for what the Liberal movement in the US or elsewhere has become - it is an endorsement of the man himself.  It is my strongest belief (as iteratively successful CEO and team leader) that the most important aspect of leadership is the ability to inspire and motivate.  There are relatively few leaders in business and many fewer in politics who I believe are truly great motivators, most leading politicians I would not send on a sales call.  Barack is definitively on my list of great motivators.

It is my hope that Mr. Obama is elected our next president. I believe his leadership will provide the motivation both domestically and internationally that will allow the country and the world to make the steps forward we are so capable of making.

It is also my hope that this period of Democratic leadership will help to purge the global left of the entitled condescension and ennui that has become its downfall.  Barack's words and Michelle Obama's aggressive "This change means *you* have to change!" message give me reason to believe that hope is not unfounded.

I realize that by blogging here I am inviting open and unlimited engagement from those to right of the median line in US politics - and I welcome it.  There is every reason to believe that a President Obama will leave this country better than any alternative on the current (or in my opinion, initial) cast of contenders, and I look forward to exercising my rationale with you.
 
-cheers!

-chris

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How many people will lose their homes to HillaryCare?

   
Hi folks!
 
Not that it appears at all likely that we will have to worry about this (thankfully), but before she leaves the stage I would still like to hear her answer this question:
 
Senator Clinton has acknowledged that her Mandated Healthcare plan will cause wage garnishment...

 ...and if you do not have wages to garnish, then what?

 o  Small business people, consultants and others independently employed?
 o  What is the penalty if you are fined and don't pay?
 o  Lawsuits by the gov't?
 o  Jail time?
 o  Bankruptcy?

Honestly, I don't know but I've been wondering about this..

If you don't pay your fines for not being able to afford the healthcare that Hilary is forcing you to buy, will she be entitled to take your HOME away?

Even if you *did* pay it may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back and puts your family Outdoors under a bridge.  Statistically, I'd think that is inevitable to happen in some cases.

She finally conceeded that garnishment is the path for the non-compliant.  I think she needs to be asked: "What comes after that fails?". 

-cheers!
-chris
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